Tipping gas attendants?

"Ryanator122" (hawkeye122) 04/26/2016 at 05:43 • Filed to: None

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As a Californian, I'm often inconvenienced by the social awkwardness that is getting gas in Oregon. It's already bad enough that I need to insist that they actually fill my car (Rather than only filling it until the first click, which is around the 3/4 mark), but then I've got this scraggly guy standing around in the wind... Do I tip? How much?

Flavien Vidal > Ryanator122 04/26/2016 at 05:52

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The north american tipping culture... 15% of your gas bill of course!!

duurtlang > Flavien Vidal 04/26/2016 at 06:03

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I thought it was 20%. I’m curious, I’m going to visit this country/continent with it’s weird/absurd tipping practices this summer for the first time.

kanadanmajava1 > Ryanator122 04/26/2016 at 06:05

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I’m very lucky to live in a country without tipping culture or mandatory filling assistance.

Flavien Vidal > duurtlang 04/26/2016 at 06:14

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15% it is... It’s FUCKING ridiculous... Basically working in a good restaurant in a city, a server can fairly easily make 3 to 4000$ if not more (tax free of course). Most of my friends were aiming for these jobs and made these amounts serving over priced pastas and wine.

Of course, I couldn’t help but tell them how stupid it is for the average waiter to make such a high amount of money and people litteraly being forced to pay them this... Their reaction was almost all the time priceless lol: “We don’t get paid the minimum wage, it’s normal for people to tip this much, we also have to give some money to the bus boy (20% of what they get as tip goes to the bus boy who struggles quite a lot more than them), a good service deserves a good tip...etc etc etc.”

The fact that with this system, waiters in small town can barely make a living while they party 2 or 3 times a week, making entry level engineer salaries while working part time serving plates was apparently no big deal at all and even worst: THEY DESERVED IT!

I like to tip. When a good waiter does a good job I give 3 to 5$ which is normal... He deal with 3 tables like mine per hour, that’s an extra 9 to 15$ per hour which is already a lot! But the 100$ bottle of wine he brought me does not deserve a high tip than the 5$ coffee I get in desert. It’s the same freaking thing and how much I spend to eat does not mean he should get more money.

But yeah, be ready to see your final bills way higher than you thought they’d be. Taxes aren’t written either on the menus.

Cé hé sin > Ryanator122 04/26/2016 at 06:50

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Tip a person for doing a job which you could do just as well yourself? Of course not.

garagemonkee > Flavien Vidal 04/26/2016 at 06:54

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You could complain about paying 3 to 5 dollars for service to the internet void, or you could complain to each restaurant operator about how you wish they would pay their servers a living wage.

Also note, many states are Tipped Wage states, which means restaurant operators are allowed to pay as low as $2.13 an hour if their tips average out to federal minimum wage.

The average income for a restaurant employee as $11.82 (including tips). OMFG so much money! They’re so rich! Way to be an indignant asshole to the people serving you. You’re complaining about “an extra 4-5k a year” which is 17% of their yearly income if they work 40 hour weeks.

Cé hé sin > duurtlang 04/26/2016 at 06:56

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They expect something like 15% and if you pay by card there’s a space left on the receipt for a tip which will then be added to the payment. The staff scrounge for the tip and will fawn on you up to the point when you pay, from when you’re dead to them. In some cases they “accidentally” brush against you, the theory being that the customer will remember that. Psychology and all that.

You also get the bill the moment you’ve stopped eating or even before.

garagemonkee > Ryanator122 04/26/2016 at 07:06

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Here’s how I operate with Oregon, though it only works if you’re passing through, as if I’m going to California, or going back home to Washington. I get gas on Vancouver, WA or I get gas in Yreka, CA.

That doesn’t exactly help you if you actually want to stay in Oregon. I usually don’t tip, but that’s also because every attendant I’ve ever gotten usually has multiple cars and is getting my transaction completed and getting me on my way.

Flavien Vidal > garagemonkee 04/26/2016 at 07:06

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As I said that’s the case if you are a waiter struggling in all towns that are not cities. Now look at the average waiters make in cities over 1 millions inhabitants. The “average” won’t be the same, at all. And these people will make sure nothing ever changes.Go work as a waiter in a bigger city, in any normal restaurant, you’ll be making very good money.

Best I’ve seen was a roommate who proudly announced is that he made 6000$ that summer month in Montreal working evenings 40 hours a week. How normal!

So as I said, the whole system of tipping in North America is fucked up but so many people make so much money that they’ll make sure it never ever changes. Fuck those who struggle with this and fuck customers who are forced to pay an extra 20 or 30$ at every dinner for two they do because that waiter did such a great job typing their orders and bringing those 4 plates and that bottle of wine! He really deserves it!

duurtlang > Cé hé sin 04/26/2016 at 07:16

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Seriously? Makes you wonder why people still eat out. Sounds very unpleasant.

Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) > Ryanator122 04/26/2016 at 07:19

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Well here in NJ you do not tip the gas attendants. Not sure if it is any different but in Oregon, but it really shouldn’t be any different. Unless they are providing some sort of service (check the oil, top up some fluids, or washing the windows), then it seems really silly to tip them. Pumping gas works fine for frail old women in the other 48 states (and probably most other places in the world) so there is no sense to have attendants.

450X_FTW > duurtlang 04/26/2016 at 07:35

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Honestly it depends. Not only on service but on what I order. If I order a $1 beer or a $15 beer and they both took the same amount of effort to serve, why tip based on a percentage?

Cé hé sin > duurtlang 04/26/2016 at 07:36

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They grow up with it and are used to it.

Just to complicate things, prices don’t include taxes which vary from place to place and can be quite high. If you see something on a menu for $9.95 it’ll wind up at $15 or so including the tip. Petrol includes tax but it’s the only thing that does.

They just put up with it.

jariten1781 > Ryanator122 04/26/2016 at 07:38

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No, you don't tip gas station attendants in required states (NJ, OR). If you go to a full service station in a state that allows self serve and they do all the old full service stuff (check and top off fluids, check tire pressures, check belts, clean windows, etc.) the tip standard is 10-20%.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Flavien Vidal 04/26/2016 at 07:52

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In college I had an acquaintance who switched to only 2 classes a semester to be a waiter at a ritzy downtown restaurant and afford his own car and apartment. he was probably in the 1% but he was in no rush to be an engineer.

I know someone who was dumb enough to marry a waitress and a stripper. On paper she didn’t earn a cent, so when it came to the divorce( what a shock) she took him to cleaners.

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > Ryanator122 04/26/2016 at 08:09

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When I worked as a pump attendant, we were instructed to refuse tips. It put us in a pretty awkward position on the odd occasion when someone did try. I would never tip a pump attendant myself... frankly I would prefer that strangers touch my car as infrequently as possible. Since I’ve owned it, the Lada has a a noticeable paint deterioration below the filler door because the attendants can't figure out the fuel cap.

facw > Ryanator122 04/26/2016 at 08:40

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I don’t tip in attendants in places where they are required.

Nick Has an Exocet > garagemonkee 04/26/2016 at 08:48

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Gosh, another one of these living wage monkeys who can only think in whole numbers.

This is the problem with cost of living. None of the nincompoops who advocate for it understand how big our country is. Plus most of them are in the states with the highest cost of living. No federal mandate will ever work because it would have to be too math heavy for your electorate to understand. You can’t simply say: “$17/hr everyone and done”. That might be too little for California but too much for Missouri. It requires careful calculation. Hell, even if you did it on a state level, you would be dealing with massive social ramifications of the bad kind in places like California. California’s cost of living is completely hosed by the fact that it has SF and LA in it. If you go up into northern california or the desert, the cost of living is roughly the same as Utah. You may actually cause de-urbanization as people leave the city for higher paying low-skill jobs. That would simply be.... freaking weird.

Flavien Vidal > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 04/26/2016 at 08:50

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Yes, because poor waiters working downtown don’t make much money and have such lack of stability in their job :)

I’d love to send some of those in the middle of Wyoming doing the exact same work they do right now and see how they feel about this tipping thing now. I bet they’ll suddenly want an hourly rate!

-this space for rent- > Flavien Vidal 04/26/2016 at 09:00

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Don’t go out to eat. Problem solved.

-this space for rent- > Ryanator122 04/26/2016 at 09:02

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Why would I tip someone for being an annoyance? I hate going to NJ mostly because I can’t pump my own gas. Waiting ten minutes to get 2.5 gallons for my rental car is not a service, it’s punishment.

BigBlock440 > Cé hé sin 04/26/2016 at 09:08

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I wish I got the bill when I was done eating, usually I’m stuck sitting around waiting for 10-15 minutes until the come back and tell me they’ll be right over with the bill and then another few minutes until they actually are. If I don’t need change, it’s not too bad after that point, but if I have to wait for them to come back and pick it up, there’s another 5-10 minutes.

Flavien Vidal > -this space for rent- 04/26/2016 at 09:10

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I don’t live in north america anymore: Problem solved.

Svart Smart, traded in his Smart > Cé hé sin 04/26/2016 at 09:38

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I don’t like the system we have in the U.S., but I find it hard to pin everything on the waitstaff.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > duurtlang 04/26/2016 at 09:57

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it’s a scale from 15-20% depending on how you felt your service was.

A lot of casual restaurants even do the math and put it on the bill for you showing 15,18, and 20% so you can just add it on.

My standard is 18% because waiters get screwed over by so many people. If they’ve done everything right I do 20.

John > Ryanator122 04/26/2016 at 10:06

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I live in Jersey and you dont tip gas attendants. I will tip if they go above and beyond like washing windows (if thats it probably no tip) and checking fluid or tire pressure. But usually only a couple bucks if I have them.

As a rule, no tip though.

Flavien Vidal > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 04/26/2016 at 10:15

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I habve no problem giving 15/18% when my tab is around 25 or 30$... it’s actually normal (4 to 6$ depending on how the service was). But it rarely is and when I end up with a 200$ tab and I HAVE to give the obnoxious waiter a good 30$ “minimum” for what he did and that he clearly doesn’t deserve it, knowing that he dealt with 3 other tables like mine at the same time and that he’ll deal with 3 or 4 other table like mine after... fuck that really.

GUYMANDUDE > Ryanator122 04/26/2016 at 10:20

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Once it clicks it’s done, or there is something wrong with your car. If you “top up” after you risk damaging you cars vapor canister.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Flavien Vidal 04/26/2016 at 11:09

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Any where I’ve been that had a tab up at 200 bucks for dinner, had damn fine, exceptional even, service to go with it.

If you have a $200 tab, they damn well better be treating you like royalty.

Flavien Vidal > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 04/26/2016 at 11:13

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100$ in food for 2 and 100$ in alcohol comes up quickly... in fairly normal restaurants...

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Flavien Vidal 04/26/2016 at 11:55

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Not in Michigan it doesn’t. Unless you’re at a high-end restaurant you shouldn’t be seeing a 100 per person bill. and 100 in alcohol? I hope you called a cab.

Ryanator122 > garagemonkee 04/26/2016 at 18:03

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The price of gas in Yreka is absurd

-Redding resident

Ryanator122 > GUYMANDUDE 04/26/2016 at 18:06

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Oh no, there's a small metal fitting stuck in the pipe. The super nifty fuel siphon-er thing I bought disconnected from its tube and lodged itself in there.

garagemonkee > Ryanator122 04/26/2016 at 18:15

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That’s because all of us Washingtonians are like “fuck Oregon” and we fill up in Yreka.

Ryanator122 > garagemonkee 04/26/2016 at 18:19

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Fuck Oregon indeed. Let’s just annex them and get rid of the smarmy people. We’ll take like Roseburg and Medford, you guys can have Eugene and Salem

Flavien Vidal > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 04/26/2016 at 18:30

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Take a whisky when you arrive, my wife usually takes some kind of cocktail and we’re already out 30$in alcohol... Then go for a good bottle of wine and you reach 100$ in alcohol very easily without even being drunk... Add 50$ of food each to that, and with a course you also fairly easily get there...

It’s obviously not a cheap restaurant but what I’m describing is not “high-end” either..

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Flavien Vidal 04/27/2016 at 09:16

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Yeah a cocktail and a whiskey shouldn’t be $30 unless you’re ordering top shelf. If you’re paying for the top level stuff, find a nicer restaurant or re-think you’re ordering.

$50 in food each? Out in Michigan that’s a high end place. Casual dining never really goes over 20-25 bucks a plate. Say you add an appetizer and a desert you still aren’t to 50 each.

Fine dining or high end out here, that’s easily feasible, but it comes with a level of service.

Flavien Vidal > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 04/27/2016 at 10:36

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I’ve lived in San Francisco and used to go out regulary in NYC, prices are not the same for sure... Even in Seattle, where I lived for a while, it tends to get around this kind of price pretty fast and for what is a fairly regular albeit on top of the “regular scale” restaurant.

This is also why I talk about differencies between waiters in cities and in the rest of the country. No waiter should ever DESERVE a 30$ tip. If the customer feels generous, sure! But it should not be forced like it is now.